Ep. 26 - The Psychology of Rebellion: Dr. Todd Kashdan on Principled Dissent and The Art of Insubordination
In this episode of the CivilTalk Podcast, we sit down with Dr. Todd Kashdan — renowned psychologist, professor at George Mason University, and best-selling author of The Art of Insubordination — for a timely and energizing conversation on how emotional intelligence, curiosity, and psychological flexibility can help us challenge the status quo with courage and clarity. Dr. Kashdan’s research dives into the traits that allow people to stand up for what’s right, even when it's uncomfortable — and how we can train ourselves to become more effective, principled nonconformists.
Together, we explore the science of dissent, the emotional toll of conformity, and how to cultivate the skills necessary to be a values-driven rebel in workplaces, schools, and everyday life. Drawing from his work in The Art of Insubordination and Curious?, Kashdan shares practical insights into building intellectual humility, navigating pushback, and staying emotionally agile while pushing against broken systems. The episode also touches on how curiosity deepens relationships, why “negative” emotions are often powerful tools, and how to rethink emotional intelligence through the lens of honesty and purpose.
Dr. Kashdan’s work has been featured in The New York Times, Harvard Business Review, Fast Company, Hidden Brain, and more. He is the author of five books, including The Art of Insubordination, Curious?, and The Upside of Your Dark Side. You can also follow his sharp, insightful writing through his popular newsletter Provoked.